April 2017 Construction to Resume – Trail to Remain Closed to July

With above zero temperatures now the norm, construction crews will be returning to the work site on the Lower Don Trail next week. To facilitate the construction traffic in a safe manner, the section of trail between Pottery Road and Riverdale Park Bridge will remain closed until July 2017.

For trail users looking to connect to the trail north or south of the closure, the recommended detour remains via Broadview Avenue (view detour map).

We apologize for this extreme ongoing inconvenience, but unfortunately the contractors and City project team were previously overly optimistic with the date for re-opening the trail in the spring.  City staff have pressed for the trail to be reopened as soon as possible, but with public safety concerns on site, July remains the projected date for reopening.

Belleville Rail Underpass tunnel

Belleville Rail Underpass tunnel in progress

On the positive side, major works have been accomplished, such as the installation of the trail bridge at Pottery Road, and more recently the main concrete work for the Belleville Rail Underpass tunnel.

The next tasks will include large amounts of soil movement for grading and drainage works.  After this, crews will be planting, repairing sections of trail, paving, top soil placement, grading and seeding.

The City is also looking forward to required works by Metrolinx related to their rail crossing, to allow for the connection of the trail across the new Pottery Road bridge to the new Bayview multi-use trail to Rosedale Valley Road.

We can’t wait to post an update this summer celebrating the opening of this much improved section of the Toronto’s fantastic ravine trail network.  Thank you again for your patience.

Learn more about the Lower Don Trail Improvements at toronto.ca/lowerdon

 

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151 thoughts on “April 2017 Construction to Resume – Trail to Remain Closed to July

  1. This is unconscionable to delay us for another season – I bet that it won’t even be completed by July. Why on earth is it so problematic for you people to even predict with reasonable accuracy when projects will be completed. There are so many examples of this through out the city’s other projects too. Laziness or Incompetence or a bit of both?

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      • city should visit. no doubt rain delays will be blamed, but the pace of work is extremely slow and it seems like entire series of days go by with almost nothing happening

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  2. Thanks for the update. I have been waiting for this work to be done so I can start biking to work again. i got to say that I am surprised how much time it took to complete this work. I recall that there are more work planned for that section of the Don Valley Trail as part of the plan to build a better bike network. Now the question is, once this work is done, will the trail be closed again soon for other work to be done on it? If so how long would that closure be? I hope that this doesn’t mean that the safe bike route to downtown will be shut down for years.

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  3. This dos not surprise me at all. The trail from going north to to Edwards gardens was closed for a lot longer than communicated initially.

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    • I agree. I don’t understand why a detour route within the trail system has never been undertaken. Broad view is not a viable alternative. It doesn’t work for the cyclists or the drivers to have more bicycle traffic on a heavily traversed city artery.

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  4. Drag it out as long as possible to get more funding. Toronto the construction site, where full grown men play in the dirt all day and, inconvenience an entire city. Expensive joke this goofy place is.

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  5. There are ways to work around your construction that would not put us on the highway with fumes – like your suggestion of Broadview, or up the bike trail beside Bayview.
    Why can’t we go up the trail and just avoid the fenced off area?
    I should not be necessary to close the whole trail!

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  6. This is very disappointing. A second year that the city’s premier recreational bike lane is closed. I can’t accept that a detour isn’t feasible. You can bet they’d find a way if this affected motor vehicles, rather than bicycles. And frankly, I can’t even figure out what the project is for — that underpass is under a railway track that’s been disconnected the whole time, so it’s obviously not even ac active line.

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  7. Thank you for this communication. However, I have to express my disappointment that the closure has been extended yet again. As a former almost daily user of this trail, this is very disappointing…

    Chris Robinson

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  8. sadly bike path and recreational improvements don’t get the same attention and strict deadlines that traffic improvements do, and this is a perfect example of it, for once i’d love to see the city actually follow through and deliver on time, i mean this path is such an integral part of my life that losing access to it for this long, and what appears to be most likely a completion date in the fall is just unacceptable. Sadly for any of us here complaining, this will all fall on deaf ears as the city obviously doesn’t really care about finishing this in any decent time frame. It’s also quite possible that these contractors are just milking the city for more time on the job, dragging it out intentionally And with the City unable and unwilling to crack the whip, this is what we taxpayers get. . Either way, you guys better get it together and actually try to finish this ahead of schedule. That would be the right thing to do. Sadly we know it won’t happen. as the city is just so incredibly incompetent in this capacity.

    Any bets that the city extends this completion date again?

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  9. Hi all,

    I hear your frustration, and appreciate that cynicism is arguably a rational response to the history we have experienced here.

    To answer questions about why were building a train-ready underpass for the Belleville rail track that is currently not in use by trains, see this fulsome thread of responses at https://lowerdontrail.wordpress.com/2016/10/25/trail-still-closed-cement-work-in-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-172

    Why the trail closure estimate was so off…
    The contractors originally thought that they could keep the trail open during most of construction, and just use flag persons to direct trail users to avoid construction hazards such as trucks and machines. But it became apparent that the situation was not acceptable for safety and the trail was closed. Cycling staff have looked in detail at providing convenient detours around the work areas, but determined a family-friendly detour in the narrow Lower Don was not possible, e.g. a reliable trail safe for children, seniors, strollers, etc.

    I have passed on your many grievances to the team.

    Please note I have approved almost all submitted comments in full, with only a few minor edits and non-publishing of 2-3 comments for reasons of privacy, attacks, or encouraging others to break the law. See our “Terms of Use for City of Toronto Social Media Sites” at http://www.toronto.ca/socialterms

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    • Just curious, what exactly will passing “your many grievances to the team.” accomplish??, i mean it’s not like they will be doubling the workforce, or turning it into a 24hr job to speed up the process. Sadly (you excepted) the city seems quite apathetic to our concerns. and i really do believe if this was a road improvement, it would have been done long ago, so it seems the the people in charge and the construction contractors also appear quite apathetic to actually trying to complete this job ASAP. so what exactly will passing on these concerns do, or is that just a way of placating us?

      surely there has to be a way to allow traffic on the path at this late stage and still allow the work to proceed…

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      • Hi pedalninja,

        Voicing concerns to the team helps them weigh competing demands and pressures on each project, such as budget and available resources for other projects. Will it make a noticeable difference at this point? We’ll see.

        Sorry, I don’t have a better answer for you.

        PS. “pedalninja” is an awesome name.

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  10. Thanks, sorry this is just really frustrating and you’re the only point of contact here 🙂 i really hope they can make a harder push, to complete this at a more reasonable time frame. as this construction has gone on way too long, i mean we all appreciate the trail getting some attention, but rendering it inaccessible for 2 full summers is heartbreaking, frustrating and just not acceptable.

    Here’s hoping someone can kick some butts and get it going faster down there.

    Moving forward, here’s hoping that any future projects will take into serious considering that closing the trail should be the very last option, and the city needs to make better detours if there has to be work.

    I use the trail recreationally, i log a couple of thousand Kms there every year, well except for last year.But i know there are large groups that use it to commute, cutting off that artery to them must be infuriating. especially with the constant construction delays. I would love to see this project get the attention and strict adherence to completion timelines like higher profile work does like traffic etc.
    it just seems the approach to this completion date is a little like ” who cares, it;ll be done when it;s done” which is i think what seems the most frustrating about this whole project.

    And thanks! that name was given to me because i used to run into my buddy everywhere i rode, so i’d sneak up on him, and he’s call me the pedal ninja 🙂

    Thanks! for keeping us updated and listening to us whine about the dates

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  11. Please see if the ‘team’ can help with getting bike sharrows installed on Bayview southbound beyond River Street . You likely haven’t ridden it — but this part of the lame patchwork of detours is very unsafe and has little room for cyclists…sharrows may help. Thank you.

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    • Hi Beth,

      The section on Bayview Ave, south of Rosedale Valley Road, includes very narrow sections with no shoulder and high-speed motorists.
      Painted shared lane marking (“Sharrows’) in the travel lane on Bayview Ave in this fast section would not provide any separation or comfort for cyclists and would not be allowed for travel by pedestrians. The City is considering long-term solutions to continue the mutli-use trail on Bayview Ave through this narrow section sometime in the future, but it will require significant study and most likely major construction, i.e. years away.

      We recognize Broadview Ave is also not an ideal detour, but it does include a sidewalk for pedestrians and slower motor vehicle traffic speeds for cyclists on the road.

      As noted before, Cycling staff have looked for options to provide a detour in the ravine, but could not find a family-friendly solution without safety concerns.

      I’ll push Cycling and Parks staff to again look for a convenient detour now that the work is at a different stage, but concerns about construction truck traffic do remain.

      Sincerely,

      -Jason Diceman

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      • If the issue is truly safety concern, why on earth does the city feel that spilling a bunch of bikers onto city streets like Broadview is safer for cyclists!

        I just witnessed a Car/Bike collision yesterday at the corner of Broadview and Danforth. Fortunately, no one was hurt (well, the bike was pretty beat up!). Is the real issue that in street incidents, the city won’t be sued, whereas if there were an accident in the ravine, there might be legal concerns?

        If so, there must be a solution to that. So many of us use the ravine rather than the streets BECAUSE of the relative safety. Fording a dirt patch or railroad tracks would be a vastly preferred alternative.

        And please pass this on to the similar “only-worried-about-your-safety” crew up at Wilket Creek. That’s now closed for the entire summer. I feel so much safer driving along Bayview (not)!

        Jason – I know you’re taking all the heat as the voice of the city, so I do want to thank you for this thankless task. But sheesh .,, there’s gotta be a better way! Should we all be complaining to our City Councillors? Would that help get some action?

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  12. This is unacceptable – there have already been several delays. It is obvious that the project and bidding process were never planned out properly in the first place, and that the City is not prepared to place a priority on it.. The suggested detour is inconvenient for most and impractical for many – imagine climbing Pottery Road, negotiating Broadview or using those steps with small kids or a trailer! This is a vital link in the system and its closure must be dissuading many from getting their bikes out at all. I understood that some private funding was being brought in but that is not doing anything to hasten the completion (or maybe we would otherwise had to wait until next year?).
    Can we have an assurance that the crew is working on the entire trail south of Pottery Road and that there will be no further delays once it’s opened?

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  13. “unfortunately the contractors and City project team were previously overly optimistic with the date for re-opening the trail in the spring.”

    I think from earlier postings, the ball was dropped during the ‘site investigation’ and engineering of the project. The ground below the underpass wasn’t suitable to support the structure. ‘Rework’ was required delaying the the project.

    Not making excuses as I’m ticked off by the delays too!

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  14. Hi Jason,
    After reading the 22 comments above I thought I might provide some helpful information to you and everyone reading the blog. After all we all want the same positive outcomes, right?

    Did you know that the area of the Don Valley Trail Closure shares the border of FOUR MUNICIPAL WARDS and FOUR MUNICIPAL COUNCILLORS?
    Here they are (with some helpful email contacts, should anyone be, ahem, interested):
    1. Ward 29 Toronto-Danforth: Councillor Mary Fragedakis (maryfragedakis.com)
    2. Ward 30 Riverdale: Councillor Paula Fletcher (councillor_fletcher@toronto.ca)
    3. Ward 27 Toronto Center Rosedale: Councillor Kristyn Wong-Tam (councillor_wongtam@toronto.ca)
    4. Ward 28 Toronto Center Rosedale: Councillor Pam McConnell (councillor_mcconnell@toronto.ca)
    I am confident these Councillor would find all this most illuminating and would be most interested in what constituents have to say and how helpful the suggested alternatives are/will be.

    [Maybe Mr. Tory too? This project is now over-budget by $850,000, and I suspect he and his budget chief would value knowing about this item.]
    Thanks,
    Jim

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    • Hi Jim,

      You are correct about the four adjacent wards. The public is always invited to send concerns to their local Councillors and/or Councillors in the affected wards. The Mayor also invites public contact, see http://www.toronto.ca/mayor

      Could you clarify where you got the “over-budget by $850,000” from?

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  15. I am just venting but tell me if anything is incorrect. The Belleville underpass is being rebuilt now (ahead of future Metrolinx disruptions and not at the same time as those) because Metrolinx says so and they own the right of way. The underpass is actually an overpass for the future use of Metrolinx, though Toronto taxpayers are paying for it under the guise of “trail improvements”. Not only are taxpayers paying for Metrolinx’ overpass, they will also be paying for the destruction of the trail on public property caused by the contractors building Metrolinx’ overpass.
    Metrolinx owning the right of way at the overpass tied politicians hands, but not owning the public path leading to the overpass, the only route the contractors could take to get in to build Metrolinx’ overpass, didn’t tie Metrolinx’ hands. i.e. Someone signed off on letting Metrolinx completely cut off the Lower Don Trail to build their overpass without requiring any temporary path be fixed up on the east side of the fence below the DVP. Not even a temporary path open weekends and past 5 P.M. daily when no work was being done. To say that there was no alternative but to completely close the route for safety reasons is disingenuous at best. Sincerely no offence.
    In spite of the fact the contractors were falling way behind, they still took weekends off, prolonging the closure of the public property on either side of the railway right of way and beyond.
    Did I mention taxpayers are paying for Metrolinx’ overpass? Yes, yes I did.
    So, is anything incorrect? I would love for someone to tell me that Metrolinx is at least paying their fair share and the overpass is not coming out of the cycling infrastructure budget.

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    • Off topic, but concerning another heartbreaking trail closure:. Yesterday, I rode the Humber trail. The signs are still up saying the 401 underpass is closed (“reopening falll 2016”), but although construction looks ongoing, I was able to get through (thank god, because the detour is a nightmare). Any idea where I can get updates on this?

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    • Hi Bob.
      To clarify, the Lower Don Trail improvements is a City project to improve safety and experience for trail users. The Belleville underpass was proposed, approved and paid for by the City, following technical construction requirements set by Metrolinx. Yes an underpass is also an overpass, but Metrolinx was not asking for changes to the existing grade separation. Metrolinx is not contributing financially to the project budget.

      I’ll leave it there.

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  16. I like most of the other commenters am extremely disappointed by this lengthy trail closure. However the Don isn’t the only trail or bike lane I use in the city. How about making this closure more tolerable by cleaning up some of the other paths around. There’s a notable deterioration in the bike path on the north side of Lake Shore Blvd by Carlaw, where recent construction chopped up the road surface and then left it, inexplicably, without repairing it (getting some enforcement on this path to get the car drivers to treat the stop signs as such and to abide by the white stop lines wouldn’t go amiss either). The same thing for the new Adelaide lane that’s taken a beating over this winter – there’s many bumps/holes along it that could use some simple maintenance. I can think of at least a 1/2 dozen places that I pass on my daily commute where a simple touch up would say to me yes the City is sincere when it says it hears our frustration.

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    • Hi AR

      With the freezing temperatures (mostly) behind is, you can expect to see City crews out repairing holes, cleaning roadways, and making improvements to bike lanes and trails across the city very soon. The Chair of the City of Toronto’s Public Works and Infrastructure Committee will make announcements for the City’s plans and schedules for construction work on Monday to the media.

      You should report the specific problems at specific locations on City roads at http://www.toronto.ca/311 (or call 311).
      Issues get recorded, tracked, investigated, prioritized and addressed. Multiple requests from different folks can sometimes help escilate.

      City of Toronto repairs an average of 237,000 potholes per year.

      Thanks and have good weekend.

      -jd

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  17. Hi Jason,
    Further to your question “where did I get the $850,000 Lower Don Trail Improvements cost overrun numbers from?”
    The answer: A SONCIN Construction Manager, back in November. He was just outside the portable office by Belleville Underpass.
    But I am NOT SURE of the $850,000 cost overrun includes the cost overrun of the Pottery Bridge segment?? I am pretty sure it does NOT include the cost overruns related to the signs, now posted for 10 months, related to “On Trail Police Presence”. Or maybe those warning signs are part of SONCIN’s landscaping? If not, add approx. $5,000 per month to the cost overrun.

    If you, or any readers of this blog are interested, additional details can likely be secured from:
    1. Joanne Kehoe. Manager, Construction Services @ 416-392-7323 jkehoe@toronto.ca
    2. Daniel McLaughlin, Manager, Capital Projects Unit, Parks, F & Rec 416-392-8453 dmclaugh@toronto.ca

    As for the actual contract SONCIN won, please see
    http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2015/bd/bgrd/backgroundfile-82474.pdf

    You will note that SONCIN bid was $3.2 million, and the other two “bidders” were >$6 million

    [SO……………OF COURSE this job was going to be overbudget from the get-go.
    This is how construction works. Low ball the bid, then blame the geotechnical folks for missing the mark, yell at Metrolinx for delays and charge the City a few million more dollars. Again, the 2 competitors bid $6 million. Goodness me, even Keith Spicer and Kelly-Anne Conway can see how “this stuff” is done.!!!

    By the way, the Design Consultants Cost estimate for the job was $2million.

    Lastly Jason, a favour to me, please. Could you tell me what the estimated ANNUAL volume of user traffic is for the Lower Don Trail (prior to its closure :~) ) , if you have it…….. even a broad range would help!

    Thanks for you question.
    jim

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    • Hi again, Jim.

      Asking staff, we could not find specific numbers of annual trail users. Cycling staff estimate an average of about 900-1500 cyclists per day, outside of the winter months, on the trail. This does not include non-cycling trail users.

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      • Don Valley Nature/Bike Trail: 450,000 Trips per Year Cancelled or Detoured: The Most Inconvenient and Disruptive Project in the Last Ten Years?

        Hi Again Jason,
        Thanks for your cycling numbers. Based on this, approximately 450,000 visitor trips per year* are cancelled/detoured.

        In the spirit of transparency (and revision by yourself/others) the 450,000 cancelled or detoured trips/year is based on the midpoint of your data [1200 cyclists/day PLUS 360 hikers, joggers, dog walkers, nature enthusiasts/day] x 8 months. That gives us 380,000 visitor trips for 8 months. For the other 4 months the numbers likely fall to about 600/day or 72,000 visitor trips.

        In your experience and the experience of your department, is this project likely the most inconvenient and disruptive project undertaken in the last 10 years, based on the numbers above? [Please assume things stay the same to the June 9, 2017 One Year Closure Anniversary, (after which we add 1560/day to the total)] . I would be sincerely interested.

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        • Hi Jim,

          I won’t comment specifically on your numbers, but we can all agree that the closure has affected the active transportation routines and public enjoyment of the ravine for thousands of people since June 9, 2016.

          In terms of comparison to other travel disruptions, I would suggest the following chart, which shows daily person volumes on various transportation arteries (e.g. Yonge Subway or DVP), many of which that have been closed for multiple days at times for repairs or special events.
          http://gardinereast.ca/sites/default/files//media/Transportation%20Volume.pdf

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  18. The new separated multi-use trail along Bayview between Pottery Rd. and Rosedale Valley is finished, and much better for me and probably others than Broadview, which seems too fast and busy to be a safe option. You already need to use stairs to go between the Lower Don Trail and the Riverdale Park bridge, so there’s a hill or stairs through Riverdale Park West, side streets through Cabbagetown then the stairs behind Wellesley Park to access the other trail. For now you just need to travel a short and flat distance along Pottery Rd.

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  19. Disappointing, but not surprising.

    may I make a suggestion? Surely there will be a final report made on this project, including the schedule overruns, and hopefully (HINT HINT) some lessons learned and recommendations to avoid debacles like this in the future.

    PUBLISH that report on this blog so we know what was learned, and what steps are being taken to avoid this type of thing in the future.

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  20. surprise surprise – 10 months wasn’t long enough for a whole herd of resources to finish this project. This isn’t the first time (and won’t be the last) that city residents have “sorry for the inconvenience” crammed down their throats. When I was a kid it was a given that you only apologized if it wasn’t going to happen again, manners apparently have no place in the world of taxpayer-funded boondoggles. Take your stinking apology, hike up the stairs, drag it up the hill, spin it up Broadview Ave.,fighting the traffic all the way – how you like that particular “detour”?
    This path was abandoned by the city, then cared for by volunteers for ages, back then any design changes were done by people who knew the path not by committee in city hall. It is an absolute bloody disgrace that this is what it has come to – postings on the web instead of engaging those who benefit enormously from the trail and miss it terribly when it is handed over to unaccountable mandarins. The river front by the underpass was under construction for 2 years, you could have created a temporary path there then BUT NOOOOOO, that would have required some consideration for trail users and God knows that isn’t in the mandate.

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  21. Can you update us on the schedule for access to the new footbridge at Pottery Road. The bridge has been in place since last summer, but it is still closed off, and the approach to the bridge from the west side still needs completion. There has been no further work at this site since the bridge was installed. At the present time the connection between the Don Valley trail north of Pottery Road and the new bike lanes on the Bayview Extension south of Pottery Road requires negotiating the traffic lights at Bayview and Pottery Road. There is a lot of fast-moving traffic turning left onto Pottery Road from the north or right onto Pottery Road from the south, which makes the situation somewhat dangerous for cyclists. Opening of this bridge would provide a much safer alternative to access the new bike lanes on the Bayview Extension.

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  22. So any updates?
    any pictures of the progress?

    it’s been pretty much a month since you restarted the project, let’s see how far the city has come with the work in the last 4 weeks 🙂

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      • Your “next week” was over a week ago, since there has been no update since you dropped the july completion bomb on us, is it safe to assume there has been no progress on the trail since early april?
        Are we still on track, what’s going on??, when will you finally update us??? or are you hiding something???

        the length between posts is troubling to say the least…

        heck i bet everyone here would lend a hand to speed things up if we could… i certainly would

        this project is quickly becoming a joke, global news and metro news pointing out the incompetencies, this must not be reflecting well on the city, it;s lazy contractors or anyone involved in this long overdue project..

        Please update us…

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        • Well it rained again today, so I’m thinking it will delay this another two weeks while they prepare more press material to say “well, rain disallows the union to push dirt”. I bet this won’t get done this year at all, at this rate.

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          • LMFAO! yeah well you know how it goes, they don’t like to get their hair wet, and everything has to be perfectly dry for them to accomplish anything… ugh…

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      • J.Diceman, it’s now been a month since you said “I should hopefully have some photos next week.”

        Any pictures? any updates? or has there simply been not enough progress to report on?
        If you don’t want to answer then please just say so and i’ll stop asking 🙂
        i’m not trying to harass, i’m just extremely curious to see our tax dollars hard at work, as i’m sure we all are. Thanks…

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        • I bet the Overseeing Committee of the Committees Committee has arranged for a national staff trade show to discuss developing the film. The photographer went on sick leave for four months because a twig pushed his government-issue $750 hat off his head during the intense bush-wacking event whilst capturing the intense work environment in this year’s rain-trodden season. This IS Canada, you know.

          The West Donlands was built in less than three years, so we should give a year and a half to rebuild a perfectly good working tunnel with a slightly improved tunnel. Barring nasty sub-23°C weather with rain and wind over 4.6 km/hr.

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          • With all due respect.. The squeaky wheel gets the oil sir… push harder. What’s so complex about snapping a few pics via a phone and texting them to you? this is 2017, not 1943…

            My guess is another delay is coming with 46 days left until their projected completion date… one would think if there was indeed major progress, they would be proud of it and showing it to us. The lack of info or willingness to provide it, seems suspicious. How hard is it to snap a few pics in this day and age..??

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          • I have approved 99% of all postings. The only comments I have moderated to not include are those that appear to encourage trespassing in the closed section of trail or are slanderous. I got a pretty thick skin and accept my role in being the face of the City even when projects go not as planned.

            Please believe me that City staff want this done ASAP, but we are reliant on 3rd parties (including revised and later stage dependent permits) and weather that are beyond our control. I’m not saying the City is perfect, but staff are doing their best within our capacity to work towards a reopening in July, exact date to be determined.

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          • Absolutely nothing has indicated that City Staff wants this project done. It’s been demonstrated time and time again that it simply will not move forward. City Staff, including councillors, are doing nothing. Permits at this stage of the project? That just demonstrates someone has no clue what they are doing. In government, what a surprise.

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          • I think if you read my response, i never encouraged anyone to go down there, i simply said i saw with my own eyes that nothing was happening, sadly if you read it, you would clearly see there was no encouragement. I think you just found a reason to hide the vital info i was providing as it shed yet another a negative light on your project., and FYI, your construction people literally painted an arrow to detour people around the belleville bridge, it was done by YOUR people, not us. i simply stated that there is nothing happening down there, and that i visually confirmed that and was offering you pictures to prove it. and it seems you have chosen not to post it based on those revelations. Kinda sad to see freedom of speech crushed here.

            And you know if you guys would just finish paving under the bridge you could reopen the trail and make everyone happy, it’s a whole 80ft max. of paving needed the rest of the trail is open and safe. not sure what permits you need to pave after grading, is there a grading permit and a paving permit?

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          • I’ve been told the trail is closed, thus I am avoiding posting comments that that say ‘I used the trail and it was fine’ which, to my judgment encourages others to trespass. That said, I have heard mixed messages about seems to be endorsed or not endorsed on the ground by contractors efforts day-to-day.

            I encourage users to post on Facebook, Twitter or other social media your experiences and comments free of City bureaucratic moderation. e.g

            https://www.facebook.com/groups/bikingtoronto/

            https://twitter.com/hashtag/biketo

            https://bikingtoronto.com/

            https://www.reddit.com/r/torontobiking/

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          • lol, well i guess if you want to very loosely interpret it that way, sure, but thats quite clearly an assumption on your part. i think you know thats not the case and not what i meant, i never encouraged anyone. personally it seemed you deleted it more because of the info provided and the very negative light it shone on your projects lack of progress and what clearly appears to be a poorly supervised work crew. This is why they won’t send you pictures…

            Ultimately, and quite literally, all that stands between a free and open path is 80ft of paving under the belleville bridge, July 1st should be an easy target to complete enough to reopen the path, maybe with some strong supervision, this could be accomplished… i guess it’s really about the city and how they supervise the contractor’s, if they employ their usual hands off approach then, it will take much longer. I’m sure if the city wants it done, they could get it done, but if you are leaving the contractor’s alone to handle the project, and it’s progress themselves, then i guess we will be looking at late July or early August.

            I honestly really hope the city will take some real initiative and go down there and get it going, get the contractors to actually work and get it finished, I’m sure we don’t need a permit to finish paving under the bridge do they?

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          • Just out of curiosity, what structure is actually in place to oversee the contractors that were awarded contracts? Are there penalties for not finishing in time? Who applies for the permits, the contractor or the City? I highly doubt contracts are just awarded then the City walks away saying “do it whenever.”

            This is a question for you, Jason.

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  23. Given than part of the trail will have been closed for at least a year when this project is complete, couldn’t the city have closed the entire trail south of Pottery Rd. to tackle all phases of construction at the same time? Even though the closure would have extended south of Riverdale Park Bridge, at least it would have lasted “only” a season, instead of a year for Phase 1 plus who knows how long for Phase 2.

    Since a section of the trail is already closed and it can’t be used as a corridor to move North-South or vice versa, it would have made more sense to tackle everything at once instead of relying on two separate extended closures for two distinct sections that could have been worked on simultaneously.

    Is there a reason this was not considered or executed by the city?

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    • Hi B
      In short, the prolonged closure was not expected, and thus a combined closure for simultaneous closure with Phase 2 south of Riverdale Bridge was not planned to be made possible. I believe Phase 2 budget and contracting is still months away and could not have been quickly started.

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      • B was asking an obvious question: Why could Phase I and Phase II not have been COMBINED originally, thus avoiding maximum public inconvenience?

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        • There is a governmental partners (e.g. Metrolinx) easement through the Phase 2 (south of Riverdale Park) corridor making the planning for Phase 2 infrastructure improvements (stairs and path widening) longer and more complex. Phase 1 was started early, as its approval process was shorter.

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    • Sadly common sense is not part of the city’s planning process. waiting until ALL of the phases are approved and do them all at once, makes way too too much sense, instead they use the old, let’s break it up into a million closures and inconveniences over many years, let’s really annoy our taxpayers as we need to look busy not efficient and practical lol…

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    • Yes, I have witnessed quite a few, especially bike lane type projects, can be quite easy. Projects that require coordination with 3rd party property owners, authorities, and utilities (e.g. Metrolinx) can sometimes be more challenging.

      From our Myths about construction in the City of Toronto
      ” web page…

      MYTH
      The city can’t complete construction projects on time or on budget
      .

      In fact, most work is completed on time and on (or even under) budget. In recent years, a large percentage of the construction projects managed by the City were completed on time and on budget. But, sometimes there are good reasons why they might take longer than expected to complete. Schedules are set before the work begins, and once construction starts, crews might discover issues at the site that were unknown and unexpected. The schedule has to be adjusted to allow time to do work that wasn’t originally anticipated.

      It is also important to remember that the City isn’t the only organization that is doing work in the roadway. In fact, the City encourages utilities and other agencies to plan their work immediately preceding or following the City’s work. While that type of planning and coordination can produce cost-savings, and reduce the disruption caused by construction, there are times when the work that is being done ahead of the City isn’t finished on time. In that case, the City must adjust its construction schedule to recognize that sometimes delays are beyond its control.

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  24. I completely agree with the frustration expressed by the other frustrated trail users; what I’m especially curious about is why the City doesn’t have fixed timelines and penalties in these contracts. If there is no requirement for the contractor to submit a fully-costed bid (and in fact, it appears it’s to their advantage to low-ball it) why wouldn’t the city at least include financial penalties for missing completion targets?

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    • (I’m not a lawyer, but…) the City can seek damages or penalities in contracts that are broken, but missed milestones are not necessarily considered a breach of contract if other factors beyond a contractor’s control are to blame, e.g. exceptional weather, third-party approvals, unforeseen circumstances. Internal contract discussions would not be made public while in progress.

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    • For more information, I found this City Council Item from 2015: “Managing Traffic Disruption on City-Led Construction Projects”
      http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/viewAgendaItemHistory.do?item=2015.PW1.3

      “…contract terms and conditions which may provide contractors working within the municipal rights-of-way with incentives to complete projects early and/or additional financial penalties for causing delays in the completion of construction projects.”

      I don’t believe these initiatives apply to trail projects.

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  25. I had some friends in the area recently. Nothing is being done. Nobody on site. I emailed councillors, and not a single councillor got back to me, just staffers with empty responses. One told me the contractor was waiting for recent rains before April 28 to drain properly. I send back a history of two weeks of no rain prior to that date.

    In other words, nothing is happening but more money spent on people that can’t seem to get a job done, nor quote on a job properly. Surprise surprise. Over a year to install a tunnel, to replace a tunnel that was completely legit to begin with.

    No, they didn’t need to shut down the whole corridor due to the foot-bridge beside Pottery Road. But they did so they could hide in that little protected zone whilst loving the mutt.

    So now they’re saying “another 3 months for landscaping and gardening”. Seriously. 90 days. The length of a single season, to do what can be done in 3 days.

    This project has been a complete failure. Over a full year to complete a replacement tunnel. That is not incompetence as it could have been rebuilt 4 times by now. This is 100% gravy train and irresponsible “politicians” who don’t keep up on this. If I had a nickel for the number of times I saw city trucks billowing pot smoke, I’d be rich. It’s just one big corrupt cash-grab from the start.

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      • Hi Jason,
        Just a helpful idea – I hope. If some of the 55 previous comments launched after the March 31 Headline “APRIL 2017 – Trail to Remain Closed to July” are true but reflect poorly on the City, why not start a new/replacement Subject Headline ASAP?

        That would push all these 55 heartfelt comments out of the spotlight, right? New visitors to the blog would likely not read ANY of this threads 55 comments. This might also staunch the hemorrhaging of comments similar to Phil T’s, or at least put a chill on others who share that perspective.

        That is the most help that can be offered just now; and I leave it up to more creative/thoughtful folks to think what that possible replacement Subject Headline ought to be.
        Jim

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        • Because all of this is about the title of a thread on the Internet. Chilling “perspective” doesn’t take the problem away. You can cover a problem with sugar, but it’s still a problem.

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  26. This is sad and pathetic. [removed insult -JD] This path was supposed to be done mid summer last year. Now, a year later it’s still not done. Absolutely pathetic!!!! You guys can’t come up with any reasonable excuses. Just bull—-!!!!!

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  27. Hi Everyone,
    In case folks missed it, Ashley Molnar of Global News Toronto reported on the Lower Don Trail “situation” Friday May 12 5:30. Here is the link to the clip:

    http://globalnews.ca/video/3448511/construction-on-the-lower-don-trail-causes-headaches-for-residents

    It is about 2min 15 sec long, and includes the following words from the public:

    “Here we are, a year and a half to two years, and still not done”
    “It seems like it’s never going to end”
    “They have their reasons and the rest of us, the taxpaying public, call it excuses for astonishingly poor project management”

    The Reporter made the following two comments:
    “The City says the construction is back on track, assuring that the Lower Don Trail will be fully re-open to the public by July”
    “Councillors Pam McConnell and Paula Fletcher were unavailable today for comment, but staffers were able to tell us that the Councillors have been dealing with complaints from very upset residents”

    Keep on contacting the councillors!! (since we are getting close to news of further project delays)

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  28. I just passed by that area earlier this week and it looked exactly like those pictures from late March, albeit with more graffiti. No visible progress that I could see from a distance for the past 2 months, so I’m not hopeful that the trail will be open in a month or so as this post states. I always hope for the best, but judging by the pace of things so far, I wouldn’t be surprised if this gets pushed to late summer, fall, or beyond because of other unforeseen circumstances, rain, temperature and what not.

    Are there any official updates?

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    • Official updates? Isn’t that what this page is for?

      Official would mean passing it by the Mayor, Kathleen Whynne, Turdeau, The Pope, The Dali Llama, 17 committees, the unions, the contractor, his ex-wife, his mother, his mother-in-law, every councillor, multiple socialist parties, and obviously Bell Canada and Rogers (because evidence photos come over their networks), and Apple for viewing said pics on an iPhone.

      Seriously, this is Canada. 100% complete failure, but at a new improved higher price.

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  29. Where is Cycle Toronto in all of this? We hear a lot from them about bike lanes on public streets but as far as I can see none of their bulletins have even mentioned this issue. Meanwhile there are signs on the north part of Don Valley Trail warning of a future closure and detour in Wilket Creek Park due to flood prevention work by the Conservation Authority (though I’m hard pressed to see where the closures are based on their map). It seems we are being forced out onto the streets whether we like it or not.

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    • The trail in Wilket Creek Park has been closed and cyclers including myself are forced to take a detour on Leslie St northbound then get on the trail behind the first station on the east side of Leslie. It is a hassle, but compared with Low Don Trail closure, this is nothing.

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  30. JUNE 9, 2017. MARKING THE ONE YEAR MILESTONE OF THE LOWER DON TRAIL CLOSURE, BY THE SHOCKING NUMBERS
    450,000 trips cancelled/detoured due to trail closure, since June 9 2016
    1,400 trips cancelled/detoured per day beginning June 10, 2017
    336 number of hours BEFORE public notice of trail closure, as targeted by Parks & Recreation. Actual closure notice was, golly, ooops, 2 hours.
    21 number of APOLOGIES from City staff on this Blog since June 8, 2016; each separate apology more heartfelt, sincere, wrenching and sorrowful than the previous apology.
    6 number of forecast “TRAIL OPENING SOON” DATES during the past 365 days.
    5 number of PARKS & REC. Staff WARNINGS (in this Blog and on GLOBAL TV NEWS) about POLICE PRESENCE ON THE TRAIL.
    (Of course, there were NEVER any police on the trail warning people to turnaround. Makes you wonder what qualifies in 2017 as a lie?)
    0 Parks & Rec. Staff REPLIES (on this site) to the suggestion of holding a public “lessons learned” session at the of Lower Don Trail Closure.

    The funniest/most ludicrous postings on this Blog BY CITY STAFF was: A TIE!!!
    #1. June 17, 2016 “THE TRAIL WILL BE OPEN AGAIN SOON ENOUGH. Please have patience.”
    #1. January 23, 2017: “STAFF ARE PUSHING OUR CONTRACTOR”
    The only question was WHERE were the contractors being pushed/redirected? My guess? To BARRIE!!!

    The absolute FUNNIEST NUMBER?: COST OVERRUN OF > $800,000.

    This, on a project which – IF PROFESSIONAL SEISMIC work was done in 2015, would have revealed the “unforeseeable” old rail bed challenges. Even before a shovel went in the ground!!… and the project cancelled/modified. No kidding! (picture a Doctor performing surgery without taking an X-ray)

    Anyone have any OTHER NUMBERS worth remembering this “WONDERFUL AND EXCITING”** ONE YEAR CLOSURE MILESTONE? (**This language in keeping with City Communications Spin Doctoring)

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    • Hold on a second. “Construction on the Lower Don should be finished in a few months, but more work is needed to make Toronto’s ravines accessible for residents.” Dated June 1, “in a few months”. A few is a minimum of 3. So it’s now September 1. You’re announcing that it’s September before this could be “finished”, “but more work is needed for access”? So it’s officially closed all this year?

      “Anyone who’s walked or biked the Lower Don knows these repairs are badly needed. Crossing Pottery Road during rush hour was like playing a high-stakes, live-action game of Frogger, while the near-90-degree turn needed to get through the narrow, corrugated metal tube that was the Belleville Underpass either brought traffic to a standstill or resulted in heart-stopping close calls as cyclists swerved to avoid each other in the confined space.” The author must be high. I’ve been biking this path for decades, and not once have I thought any of this needed any repair. Maybe pavement surface bumps removed, but everything else has been fine. The Pottery Road crossing has been fixed some time ago, and the tunnel is a tunnel.

      I guess the contactor didn’t see the rail line nor the Don River when they started on a tunnel that went underneath a rail line near a river. [removed insult]

      Why is the trail closed for a single tunnel? What does the Don River crossing at Pottery Road have to do with anything? It was never there and the trail was open to the waterfront for decades. See how that works?

      What a complete farce.

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  31. Question – the trail is “CLOSED” .. so why wasn’t the lower section (widening/resurfacing) tackled at the same time?

    Clearly, we won’t have use of this trail until sometime in 2018 – AND it seems ONLY THEN the work will begin on the lower section, so we won’t have use of the trail for a further summer (or 3).

    This is a complete joke.. entire city blocks have been built faster than this.

    I personally have been on this trail (at least 30-40 times) over the past 2 years and have never seen a single worker down there. I’m on the trail on Monday, sometimes Tuesday, Wednesday .. sometimes Saturday or Sunday .. I have yet A SINGLE TIME to see a crew working down there.

    WHERE IS THE URGENCY?

    Obviously, work is being done .. at some silly pace .. but we all have to agree there is ZERO urgency.

    And the cycling detour provided by the city is extremely dangerous, in my opinion.

    I’m saddened by the way the City of Toronto handled this and their lack of resolve in this matter.

    Respecfully,

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    • Today, witnessed working on the foot-bridge over the Don River (not that anybody is down there, and nobody needs that. Also up Rosedale Valley Road, working on a bridge. None of this has to do with the Don Trail. Not a thing.

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  32. Two weeks and she’s done! Or, we get another blog post indicating it’s another 6 months to do landscaping, “because we didn’t consider rain in any construction project the size of a Trans-stop.”

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  33. Based on the current state, 2 weeks does look like it’s enough time to get this done. We know when there’s a will to do it, it can easily get done, like the 2 week renovation that was accomplished at the Boulevard Club.
    I’d ask that when the crew pulls out they make an effort to clean up the path behind them. They have tracked mud onto the path that’s turned into ruts. This seems like a very small request in the circs.

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    • Unfortunately, while the City and the contractor may have the will, we are often beholden to third parties, such as utility companies and Metrolinx for permits and approvals, which is one of the sources of delays on projects like this. Weather is another factor that we can not control.

      We expect the contractors to do a full clean of the trail affected by construction. I’ll forward a friendly reminder to the team.

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      • Pleeeeeeeeeeeease Jason,

        What IS in your control is proper project management. You should have insisted on $10K-$20K of professional seismic and soil work back in September 2015. The “unforeseen” railbed/below grade issues WOULD HAVE JUMPED OUT to anyone. (Or enough to cause discussion and project re-evaluation!!!!)

        YOUR DEPARTMENT DID NOT DO THIS.

        DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE the “Trumpian truth” that at ITS CORE the delay can be attributed to 3rd parties, Metrolinx and weather. Honestly Jason? Really? Jason?

        The only thing MORE HONEST is my sympathy for City Staff who appear to have swallowed the Kool-Aid excuses on this particular project. My sincerest of condolences (really!) for your feeling that you have to support the unsupportable, when you know in your heart it was all avoidable. I think you agree, but understand that a paycheck keeps you from agreeing publically.

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          • Sorry, let me get this straight. It’s been over a year of actual work, post-design and consultancy, and you’re still waiting for permits?

            Seriously, is there anybody accountable in this system at all? The gravy train is alive and well.

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  34. Hmm, surely you can forgive the lack of enthusiasm when you use language like “waiting for permits” – the project is more than 2 years old – permits?? .. and “sometime in July” – sounds like the kind of non-committal language with a sure to follow message in late July with “third party delays, blah blah, so sometime in August” – just blaming everyone and anyone (3rd parties) – “our hands are tied”.. blah blah.
    Again – No Resolve, No Commitment, No Urgency – none of you would make it in the private sector.
    Respectfully.
    Keith

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    • Keith,
      If it is any consolation: at least your words were posted on this blog!! Consider yourself lucky! (seriously!)
      My uncontroversial/measured words from one week ago are still NO WHERE TO BE SEEN**
      (a metaphor, I guess, for workers at site during the last year :~)

      **”awaiting moderation” as of June 21

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  35. Mr Diceman,
    Let us help you.
    Post the contact info of the person (or office) responsible for these slow moving permits, and we can call and ask about the delays.
    Let us help.
    Then when you hit the next slow moving hurdle – post it here. Whichever 3rd party is slowing things down – post their info here, and we’ll help.
    Seriously.
    And if you won’t do so – please tell us why not? Is the info private? Are there reasons for a continued lack of transparency in why and who are responsible for these delays?
    Can someone in the comments please post whoever is in charge here – post phone numbers, emails addresses – which branch of gov’t is handling this – where can we call or email for updates? etc..
    All due respect Mr Diceman, we’re not getting anywhere here, and while I appreciate your thick-skinned ability to read and click a mouse (approve/deny) on a blog post comment – we’re not that impressed. What would require (real) thick skin is to act with resolve and make things happen.
    Respectfully,
    Keith

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  36. Hey Folks,
    Some additional numbers and names from my post of April 10 for reference below:

    Hi Jason,

    The $950,000 cost overrun does not include the cost overrun of the Pottery Bridge segment. I am pretty sure it does NOT include the cost overruns related to the signs, now posted for 10 months, related to “On Trail Police Presence”. Or maybe those warning signs are part of SONCIN’s landscaping? If not, add approx. $5,000 per month to the cost overrun.

    If you, or any readers of this blog are interested, additional details can likely be secured from:
    1. Joanne Kehoe. Manager, Construction Services @ 416-392-7323 jkehoe@toronto.ca
    2. Daniel McLaughlin, Manager, Capital Projects Unit, Parks, F & Rec 416-392-8453 dmclaugh@toronto.ca

    As for the actual contract SONCIN won, please see
    http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2015/bd/bgrd/backgroundfile-82474.pdf

    You will note that SONCIN bid was $3.2 million, and the other two “bidders” were >$6 million

    [SO……………OF COURSE this job was going to be overbudget from the get-go.
    This is how construction works. Low ball the bid, then blame the geotechnical folks for missing the mark, yell at Metrolinx for delays and charge the City a few MILLION more dollars. Again, the 2 competitors bid $6 million. Goodness me, even Sean Spicer and Kelly-Anne Conway can see how “this stuff” is done.!!!

    LASTLY: project falls in FOUR WARDS, see earlier post.

    Good luck everyone……….. we are going to need it when the trail is CLOSED south of Riverdale Bridge for “improvements to enhance public access” :~)

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  37. Would it be possible to find out what will be the width and the angle of the new tunnel? Will there still be a hill on the south side of it? At least from the picture, the tunnel looks quite narrow and sharply angled. I afraid neither current bicyclists nor future generations will appreciate it.

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    • There was nothing wrong with the original. I’m hoping you aren’t trying to get your thumb into a re-design at this point. I’m sure it will be just fine.

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    • The new Belleville Underpass will be realigned and widened to create clear site lines that provide for a safe approach.
      The overall experience of travelling below the rail line will be greatly improved through the integration of seating and wayfinding elements that will promote this area as a special location along the trail.

      Old Underpass
      • 9m length
      • +/-105° angle turn
      • 2.2m width underpass
      • less than 2.2m height at edges of tunnel
      • right angle turn
      • under 30m sightline

      New Underpass
      • 9m length
      • +/- 135 ° angle turn
      • 4m width underpass
      • 2.5m height underpass
      • min. 17m radius turns
      • 60m+ sightline

      See drawings and imagery on page 8 of our panels (PDF) from 2015.

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      • Mr Diceman,
        Thank you for confirming there was nothing wrong with the original tunnel that served this great city for many decades.
        I’m certain this claim of “providing a safe approach” was deemed necessary by a non-cycling panel (ie. people who never took the tunnel).
        Even a 30m (98-feet, or 1/3 of a football field) sightline is overkill to slow down from 15-20km/hr to avoid a collision. We didn’t need 60m, nor did we even need 30m.
        I had been cycling through the tunnel since 1991, with zero issue. All this tunnel needed was a little widening at both entrances – cosmetic landscaping, for 1/100th the budget.
        Massive waste of resources, massive loss for the cycling community. This money could have been spent on something of value to our great citizens.
        Regards.

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        • Spoken like a a person that sees the trail as for bike riders only. I have walked, run, walked my dogs AND biked the trail nearly as long as you. The Belleville underpass was unsafe for passing at best, at worse it was dangerous. Pull your head out of your Canada Day spirit and realize the trail is meant for all to experience and enjoy.
          Happy Canada Day to all with wishes for a safe and complete trail.

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          • We can agree to disagree.
            First,
            My comments are not at all from a cyclists only perspective. I’ve also used the tunnel as a jogger, again, never an issue. I don’t walk dogs, however. In either case, new or old, this tunnel is a tunnel and caution should be exercised.
            Second,
            Respectfully, now I’m curious .. if the older tunnel at 2.2-meters (7.2 feet) isn’t wide enough, how you manage walking your dogs (safely) on any sidewalk at 2.1-meters width?
            Third,
            You mention “unsafe for passing” .. no one should be passing in the tunnel, whether walking, jogging, or cycling. We can agree this would be reckless. Additionally, the new tunnel width doesn’t address those reckless few who blast by others with no regard to safety. Narrower (mixed-use trail) points exist all throughout the city and we manage quite well using common sense and courtesy. The tunnel is a mere 20 feet or so in length – do we really need to be passing inside it? Of course not. This feeling of danger (you describe) when bikers blast by pedestians, kids, dogs, will not go away with the extra few feet in width.
            Happy Canada Day.
            #respect

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        • If you’re going to widen the ends of a tunnel, why not do the whole tunnel for what has to be done? I don’t ride this tunnel often, but I have had a couple of close calls when meeting oncoming ‘traffic’.

          Yes the whole project has been a utter cluster%^&*, but how many of us actually have first hand experience as civil engineers or contractors?

          Otherwise we’re just ‘armchair quarterbacks’. Not excusing the delays, but some of the comments here remind me of ‘discussions’ with engineers/designers during my time as a tool & die maker. Just because you can draw something on a piece of paper doesn’t mean you can make it.

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          • Because everybody that’s commenting here is obviously on a couch, dumb as anything, and has no clue about building anything, correct? You might want to observe how long it’s taken to do that amount of work. It’s stupid how long this is taking, by any measurement.

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          • Before the bidding process, this project went through a planning process under the Environmental Assessment Act. The EA process requires that the public and relevant agencies be consulted, and that the project and its implications is adequately described. This was an opportunity for any issues with Metrolinx to be identified and resolved, and for the structural complications associated with the tunnel structure to be investigated, and a solution arrived at. Obviously the EA process failed on both counts.

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          • By living on planet Earth, you should:

            1. Have a sense of humour.
            2. Don’t get offended because people don’t agree with you
            3. I was referring to users on this site, in sarcasm. I was referring to the comment where WE were referred to as “couch potatoes”. Your quotation of my reply was on the wrong person.
            4. I think a lot of people have expressed their opinion of the city and the contractor in this instance. If you don’t want bad feedback, don’t do bad things.

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      • Thanks a lot for the detailed info! The underpass was unsafe — period. And it the last narrow place on my route to the lake so I am happy it will be improved (I am going more than 20km/h, sorry). But as many people here I am not sure it should’ve been taking so long. Nevertheless, thanks for your amazing patience with this irritated crowd.

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    • So in the past two months, pretty much nothing has been accomplished. The previous reports of “because of recent rain”, are a complete smoke screen.

      This is stupid. These guys should be charged with fines.

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      • Phil,
        Rest assured these contractors will be heavily penalized with the allowance to bill our great city for many overages, which, I can assure you, shall be paid in a timely fashion.
        Further, they shall be also penalized with ongoing contracts. Yes, they will suffer the deep pockets of our Gov’t once again to the detriment of all citizens in this great city.
        I also can confirm your astute observation – virtually zero work done in the past 2 months unless there’s tunneling going on..(?).
        #peace

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    • [Editor’s note: pedalninja has stated “for the record, i will not be trespassing…”]

      They graded the dirt, laid fine gravel, then laid larger gravel stones, and added more fine gravel on top of it and graded that, it’s hard to see but i have seen it with my own eyes, 2+ WEEKS AGO! so it’s been sitting waiting to be paved for that long… it must have taken them 2+ weeks to pick up their gear very very slowly because one interesting thing i see in those pics is that ALL of the gear, heavy equipment and even the porta-pottie is gone now, literally all that is needed to re-open this trail COMPLETELY, is exactly that part of the path in the 1st picture, literally 80ft of path needs paving and thats it…. Why it’s not done by now is beyond logic as this doesn’t require any meetings discussions, 3 party consultations or permits to complete. if this part was finished, we would be able to enjoy this trail for the first time in over a year and would stop coming to this page and harassing the Diceman. But i guess as long as the city supervises from their comfy offices, and relies on word of mouth and rumor for their progress updates, with no one actually physically checking, things will remain dead down there.

      I’ll be down there saturday, so i’ll be snapping pics and posting on imgur. I really hope they’ve got it paved, as there really is no excuse for it not to be done now…

      for the record, i will not be trespassing to acquire the pictures, as this can be done from outside of the barriers.

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  38. A visit to the open section of the trail from the Riverdale park footbridge south was almost impassable on Saturday. Why is there no maintenance done on a regular basis? This wasn’t from flooding, but caused by lack of drainage and a large accumulation of mud. An unsafe condition. I realize we are waiting for stage 2 of the trail rehab, but basic maintenance for safety pruposes should be done.

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      • I have., I will…..again!
        Please contact the departments responsible as well. I’m sure we all would be most appreciative of any action you could move forward quickly.

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          • I wish I I taken photos.
            Immediately south of the Riverdale Park footbridge and continuing as far as I can see south, the trail was COVERED in mud. A very unsafe environment and barely passable.
            311 connected me with the supervisor, and I left a message with ‘Paul ‘ who I believe is in charge of the area. Any support you could bring to remediate the problem wil be appreciated by many citizens.

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  39. It’s June 29th. I’ve seen no (as in zero) activity at the trailhead at Pottery Rd since, well, last year if I’m honest. The bridge to the Bayview lanes isn’t connected. All the signs are still up… and your last update says “closed until July 2017”.

    Now any person with a reasonable command of English would read this to mean “when it’s July, the trail will be open”. As in 2 days hence, on Saturday. Are we having a nice Canada Day present, or will the construction be dragging on into (as I suspect) next year?

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    • Yep.
      I remember all the fanfare last year; “Pottery Street Bridge Installed On Schedule” – the crane came in, lowered the bridge in place, pats on backs all around .. this was late August I believe. And you’re correct, nothing done since then.
      It appears all the bridge needed to open (since August) is joining the two trails to the bridge (about 8-10 feet per side) .. perhaps a little cement & paving. Now 10-months later – zero work done since.
      #peace

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